[ YAAAAAYYY... kaiser has to believe sae hasn't decided to abruptly change his mind on how much he likes hearing kaiser's accent come out, so he will let it out a bit more... also, he sounds a little sleeby himself. ]
Guten Abend, Sae. [ uwu... ] I also read a lot over the holiday break, shall I tell you some analogies that philosophers seem to enjoy? Do you know about the hedgehog's dilemma? I'll take your silence as a no...
[ somehow kaiser suspects that sae isn't reading in general, but he can keep that to himself. ]
The situation is that it's cold during winter and these hedgehogs need to get closer to each other to stay warm and not freeze to death... but they're hedgehogs, so if they get close to each other, they'll prick each other with their quills. The dilemma is that they can't be close to each other and they can't be apart from each other either. Schopenhauer says that's why social norms exist for humans, so that they can better judge the right distance to keep...
[ is this boring sae, kaiser wonders?? good, go to bed. ]
Where was I supposed to see a hedgehog living in a German city, at the zoo? I've never been anywhere like that... I think that I haven't seen that many real animals, now that I think about it. Unless it counts if I've seen drawings?
[ guy who isn't exactly sure what most wild animals look like... look, he didn't grow up drooling over nature documentaries like some people. and not unlike sae, the only videos he watches are sports... he has not known the joy of seeing a panda do the dumbest things imaginable. he knows what a lot of birds look like now, he supposes??
also, kaiser doesn't feel like saying "yeah... that's because it's a metaphor" so he'll leave that be for now. ahem. ]
but since kaiser is so uneducated in all things animal, perhaps sae should take pity on him and start bringing him places... aquariums and zoos, to begin with... )
[ yeah, bring him to some wild animals so that kaiser can get reconnected with his feral energy! ]
Ah... it was that or visit the beach, I think. We must have gone to the beach instead. [ he remembers, but he also don't. also, he's stifling a yawn in case sae thinks kaiser is rubbing his ability to get sleepy in his face. ] The aquarium seems like it would be different from a zoo, though. A zoo probably has... more variety, I guess. More predators too, maybe.
[ the next stage in kaiser building his personal lore is telling everybody a lion is his mother, actually. ]
I thought that's because the ocean is so deep and people fear the unknown. Isn't it mostly fish down there? I've eaten too many fish to be scared of them.
[ he's kidding... and for once, it's even obvious in his tone. ]
Maybe. You don't know what's down there. ( he gets the joke, but still? it's true. it's the unknown and the possibility of 45 ft long sharks or whatever.
There's lots of things that I don't know. If I were afraid of all of them, I might never leave bed ever again.
[ funny how they've both weaponized their ignorance in their own ways... don't tell him about the monstrosities down there, or else he'll be telling everyone his mother is a deep-sea catshark actually. ]
Ja, to the aquarium. [ he has not forgotten to give sae some authentic european white boy fanservice. ] I'm sure Madrid must have one.
As expected, another wonderfully noncommittal answer from Sae Itoshi... but, you're right. If I got to choose, I'd rather go to the zoo. I want to see the predators during their feeding times, if possible.
I dunno when they feed them. Call ahead and check.
( he's certainly not going to... but he'd like to watch, too, he thinks. with how he's obsessed with watching kaiser eat that should be self-explanatory. )
[ this means they'll have a zoo date, right? kaiser knows better than to explicitly ask. ]
Mmhm, I will. I want to see the wild cats and if they still have a predator instinct in them or if now they're all fat and lazy because they figured out they'll get fed at the same times every day no matter what. [ those damn lazy tigers, you know. ] Zoos probably keep birds too, maybe you'll get to see some that you haven't yet. You know, like birds from the jungles and other... um... exotic places.
[ kaiser doesn't know. he ran out of ecosystems he knows after saying "jungle". ]
Probably the latter. ( like, let's not get too excited. everyone knows cats are lazy as fuck... so if they're just given food, why would they work for it?
still, sae wants to see their big teeth tear that meat apart. )
"Other exotic places." ( a snicker < - guy who also can't name any other exotic places )
Well, I don't know what any of those other places are called... [ he's an innocent and pure boy who didn't go to school. ] Where do those pink birds live? The ones that stand on one foot. And penguins... have you seen either of those before?
( well, he's hardly given anything on a silver platter, so... )
... flamingos? ( he don't know where they live. australia???? ) I've seen penguins in a Japanese zoo before. But I'd see them again if I had the chance. They're funny.
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( that he's more difficult to deal with is just because kaiser is on his hate list rn???????? duh. )
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i even gave you an opening to talk about one of your favorite topics, my god
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( he wants to sleep! )
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this is why i wanted to call, so i can yap at you with my soothing voice and beautiful accent until you get sleepy and you dont have to reply
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Fine
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Call.
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Guten Abend, Sae. [ uwu... ] I also read a lot over the holiday break, shall I tell you some analogies that philosophers seem to enjoy? Do you know about the hedgehog's dilemma? I'll take your silence as a no...
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kaiser's annoying and he hates him but his voice can be soothing, he supposes.......... )
... ( yeah, he wasn't reading over the holidays, so... ) Obviously not.
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The situation is that it's cold during winter and these hedgehogs need to get closer to each other to stay warm and not freeze to death... but they're hedgehogs, so if they get close to each other, they'll prick each other with their quills. The dilemma is that they can't be close to each other and they can't be apart from each other either. Schopenhauer says that's why social norms exist for humans, so that they can better judge the right distance to keep...
[ is this boring sae, kaiser wonders?? good, go to bed. ]
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That's stupid. Can't hedgehogs put their quills back? ( like when they're all smooth...... the quills are back................... )
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[ where was he supposed to have seen hedgehogs? kaiser has the opposite of internet brainrot. ]
Anyways, it's only a metaphor. It's not really about hedgehogs, it's about people.
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( weird. anyway: )
... but people don't have quills... ?
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[ guy who isn't exactly sure what most wild animals look like... look, he didn't grow up drooling over nature documentaries like some people. and not unlike sae, the only videos he watches are sports... he has not known the joy of seeing a panda do the dumbest things imaginable. he knows what a lot of birds look like now, he supposes??
also, kaiser doesn't feel like saying "yeah... that's because it's a metaphor" so he'll leave that be for now. ahem. ]
We never went to the aquarium either.
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( he doesn't remember.
but since kaiser is so uneducated in all things animal, perhaps sae should take pity on him and start bringing him places... aquariums and zoos, to begin with... )
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Ah... it was that or visit the beach, I think. We must have gone to the beach instead. [ he remembers, but he also don't. also, he's stifling a yawn in case sae thinks kaiser is rubbing his ability to get sleepy in his face. ] The aquarium seems like it would be different from a zoo, though. A zoo probably has... more variety, I guess. More predators too, maybe.
[ kaiser doesn't know the horrors of the ocean. ]
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Ah. ( beach is better than an aquarium... so that makes sense. ) Not necessarily. There's a reason so many people are scared of the ocean.
( not him, though!!!!!! )
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I thought that's because the ocean is so deep and people fear the unknown. Isn't it mostly fish down there? I've eaten too many fish to be scared of them.
[ he's kidding... and for once, it's even obvious in his tone. ]
Then, do you want to go?
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Maybe. You don't know what's down there. ( he gets the joke, but still? it's true. it's the unknown and the possibility of 45 ft long sharks or whatever.
sae doesn't even know himself. )
To the aquarium?
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[ funny how they've both weaponized their ignorance in their own ways... don't tell him about the monstrosities down there, or else he'll be telling everyone his mother is a deep-sea catshark actually. ]
Ja, to the aquarium. [ he has not forgotten to give sae some authentic european white boy fanservice. ] I'm sure Madrid must have one.
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( he doesn't know what that means. but it does sound like something people struggle with... not sae, though. he's not that much of a thinker. )
... mm. Wouldn't you rather go to the zoo?
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[ like a normal person does. ]
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( he's certainly not going to... but he'd like to watch, too, he thinks. with how he's obsessed with watching kaiser eat that should be self-explanatory. )
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Mmhm, I will. I want to see the wild cats and if they still have a predator instinct in them or if now they're all fat and lazy because they figured out they'll get fed at the same times every day no matter what. [ those damn lazy tigers, you know. ] Zoos probably keep birds too, maybe you'll get to see some that you haven't yet. You know, like birds from the jungles and other... um... exotic places.
[ kaiser doesn't know. he ran out of ecosystems he knows after saying "jungle". ]
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Probably the latter. ( like, let's not get too excited. everyone knows cats are lazy as fuck... so if they're just given food, why would they work for it?
still, sae wants to see their big teeth tear that meat apart. )
"Other exotic places." ( a snicker < - guy who also can't name any other exotic places )
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Well, I don't know what any of those other places are called... [ he's an innocent and pure boy who didn't go to school. ] Where do those pink birds live? The ones that stand on one foot. And penguins... have you seen either of those before?
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... flamingos? ( he don't know where they live. australia???? ) I've seen penguins in a Japanese zoo before. But I'd see them again if I had the chance. They're funny.
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